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The flu vaccine and seniors — what do doctors who are critical of vaccination say?

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Jerzy Jaśkowski believes that maintaining a healthy vitamin D level prevents the flu more cheaply and effectively than mass vaccination.

  • The STOP NOP Association says that during the 2012/2013 season, older people developed little or no immunity to the A H3N2 flu strain.
  • Jerzy Zięba claims that the flu vaccine does not undergo clinical trials and does not have to demonstrate its effectiveness or safety.
  • Jaśkowski points out that vitamin D supplementation is also not discussed when it comes to older people.
  • Dr. Norman Pieniążek reports that people called for a rethink of vaccines against flu and other respiratory viruses.

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Stowarzyszenie STOP NOP

During the 2012/2013 season, older people developed little or no immunity to the A H3N2 flu strain.

„Centers for Diseases Control (2013)42 According to the CDC, the effectiveness of the flu vaccine during the 2012/2013 season ranged from 9 to 56 percent, depending on the strain. Older people developed little or no immunity to the A H3N2 flu strain.43 Flu symptoms: There are two main types of flu (A and B). Symptoms include fever, chills, sore throat, fatigue, muscle and body aches, cough, diarrhea, and vomiting, and can last for more than a week.”Centers for Diseases Control (2013)42 Według CDC, skuteczność szczepionki przeciwko grypie w sezonie 2012/2013 wynosiła od 9 do 56 procent, w zależności od szczepu, przy czym osoby starsze uzyskiwały słabą odporność przeciwko szczepowi grypy A H3N2, lub nie miały jej wcale.43Objawy grypy: Istnieją dwa główne rodzaje grypy (A i B), których objawy obejmują gorączkę, dreszcze, ból gardła, zmęczenie, ból mięśni i ciała, kaszel, biegunkę i wymioty, które mogą utrzymywać się nawet ponad tydzień.
Jerzy Zięba

According to Jerzy Zięba, the flu vaccine does not undergo clinical trials and does not have to demonstrate its effectiveness or safety.

„The flu vaccine is precisely the kind of drug that is given to Polish adults and children without any clinical trials, not even the smallest one. It is the only “drug” (after all, it does not treat anything) that does not need to prove its effectiveness or, most importantly, its safety.”Szczepionka przeciw grypie jest właśnie lekiem wprowadzanym do organizmu Polaków dorosłych i dzieci bez żadnego badania klinicznego, nawet najmniejszego. Jest to jedyny „lek” (niczego przecież nie leczy), który nie wymaga wykazania jego skuteczności ani, co najważniejsze, jego bezpieczeństwa.
Jerzy Zięba

Jerzy Zięba claims that the flu vaccine does not undergo any clinical trials.

„The flu vaccine, so eagerly given to anyone who wants it, including pregnant women, does not undergo any clinical trials, not even on a proverbial dog. You can see the proof here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/hpWNuh0wj9Mu/ It has been shown that giving a pregnant woman the flu vaccine is linked to an increase of more than 700% in the risk of having a child with autism and schizophrenia.”Tak ochoczo podawana wszystkim chętnym, łącznie z kobietami w ciąży, szczepionka przeciw grypie nie przechodzi przez żadne badania kliniczne, nawet na przysłowiowym psie. Dowód macie Państwo tutaj: https://www.bitchute.com/video/hpWNuh0wj9Mu/ Wykazano, że podanie kobiecie w ciąży szczepionki przeciw grypie, łączy się ze zwiększeniem o ponad 700% ryzyka urodzenia dziecka autystycznego i ze schizofrenią.
Jerzy Jaśkowski

Jerzy Jaśkowski believes that maintaining a healthy vitamin D level prevents the flu more cheaply and effectively than mass vaccination.

„Preventing and treating viral infections, flu, and colds is much cheaper and more effective by maintaining a healthy vitamin D level than through heavily advertised mass vaccination. Let me remind you that the only flu epidemic in Poland at the beginning of the 1970s”Zapobieganie i leczenie zakażeń wirusowych, grypy i przeziębień jest o wiele tańsze i skuteczniejsze za pomocą utrzymywania prawidłowego poziomu witaminy D, aniżeli masowo reklamowane szczepienia. Przypomnę, że jedyna epidemia grypy w Polsce na początku lat 70.
Jerzy Jaśkowski

Jerzy Jaśkowski points out that vitamin D supplementation is also not discussed when it comes to older people.

„Despite many studies demonstrating vitamin D deficiency in the bodies of Polish people, no public health “specialist” has yet called for it to be supplemented in children and young people, let alone older people. In Poland, vitamin D supplementation was discontinued in 1971.”Pomimo wielu prac udowadniających niedobór witaminy D w organizmach Polaków, nadal żaden „specjalista” zdrowia publicznego nie występuje z wnioskiem o konieczność jej suplementacji u dzieci i młodzieży, nie wspominając o osobach starszych. W Polsce w 1971 roku wykreślono suplementację witaminą D.
Dr Norman Pieniążek

Dr. Norman Pieniążek reports that people called for a rethink of vaccines against flu and other respiratory viruses.

„Fauci wrote an article proposing that we need to rethink vaccines for coronaviruses, influenza viruses, and similar viruses, as well as other viruses that infect the respiratory system, explains Dr. Norman Pieniążek, referring to Fauci. Dr. Norman Pieniążek: Is Covid like the flu?”Fauci napisał artykuł, w którym proponował, że trzeba przemyśleć sprawę szczepionek na koronawirusy, na wirusy grypy i podobne, i inne wirusy, które infekują układ oddechowy – wyjaśnia Fauciego dr Norman Pieniążek. Dr Norman Pieniążek: Covid jak grypa?

Research from PubMed · Europe PMC

We selected 9 studies with the best, positive results. This is a selection, not a full review of all research.

Total number of studies on this topic in PubMed: 12 751.

A meta-analysis found that among people aged 65 and over, the high-dose vaccine produced a stronger antibody response than the standard-dose vaccine.

Aim of the study: High-dose trivalent, inactivated, split-virus influenza vaccine (IIV3-HD) has been available in the US since 2009 for adults aged ≥ 65 years. To better understand how IIV3-HD provides improved protection against influenza, we systematically reviewed clinical studies comparing immune responses to IIV3-HD and standard-dose trivalent vaccine (IIV3-SD).

Money for the studycompany or manufacturer · Sanofi Pasteur
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?YES
Type of studycombined analysis of many studies (meta-analysis)

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

A meta-analysis of observational studies estimated that the adjuvanted vaccine reduced the risk of hospitalization for pneumonia or flu in seniors.

Aim of the study: In the elderly, traditional influenza inactivated vaccines are often only modestly immunogenic, owing to immunosenescence. Given that adjuvantation is a means of enhancing the immune response, the trivalent inactivated vaccine adjuvanted with MF59 (MF59-TIV) was specifically designed to overcome this problem.

Results: Of the 1993 papers screened, 11 (6 case-control, 3 cohort and 2 prospective case-control) studies were identified. Hospitalization due to pneumonia/influenza and laboratory-confirmed influenza were reported in more than one study, while other outcomes (influenza-like illness, cardio- and cerebrovascular accidents) were investigated only by one study each. Pooled analysis of four case-control studies showed an adjusted MF59-TIV effectiveness of 51% (95% CI: 39-61%) against hospitalizations for pneumonia/influenza among community-dwelling seniors. Pooled results of the adjusted vaccine effectiveness against laboratory-confirmed influenza were also high (60.1%), although the 95% CI passed through zero (-1.3 to 84.3%). Other single community-based studies showed very high effectiveness of MF59-TIV in preventing hospitalizations for acute coronary [87% (95% CI: 35-97%)] and cerebrovascular [93% (95% CI: 52-99%)] events.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studycombined analysis of many studies (meta-analysis)

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

In a study from the 2023/2024 season, vaccination was moderately effective in preventing hospitalization for confirmed flu.

Aim of the study: In order to support policymakers in allocating resources, we aimed to assess vaccine effectiveness (VE) of inactivated influenza vaccines (IIVs) available for Italian adults in the 2023/2024 season.

Results: Of 1,664 adults analyzed, most (82%) of which were ≥65 years, 114 (6.9%) tested positive for influenza A. Most (92%) cases were caused by subclades 6B.1A.5a.2a and 6B.1A.5a.2a.1 of the A(H1N1)pdm09 subtype. In older adults aged ≥65 years vaccination was effective at 51% (95% CI: 8%, 74%) against any influenza A and 49% (95% CI: 2%, 73%) against A(H1N1)pdm09. Compared with non-vaccinated older adults, VE point estimates for the adjuvanted and, especially, high-dose IIVs were higher than those for the standard-dose non-adjuvanted IIV. The 2023/2024 seasonal influenza vaccination proved moderately effective in preventing hospitalization for laboratory-confirmed influenza. Being more appropriate for older adults, local policymakers and vaccinating physicians should maximize adoption of the enhanced IIVs.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studyobservation of people
Participants1 664

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

A review reports that in seniors, the high-dose vaccine was associated with a stronger antibody response and better protection than the standard-dose vaccine.

Aim of the study: Fluzone® High-Dose (IIV3-HD) is a trivalent, inactivated, split-virus influenza vaccine indicated for use in older adults (≥65 years of age). It contains 60 µg hemagglutinin of each influenza strain, which is four times the hemagglutinin content of standard-dose influenza vaccines, including Fluzone (IIV3-SD).

Results: We also discuss the potential application of IIV3-HD in adults 50-64 years of age and in individuals who may respond poorly to standard-dose influenza vaccines. Expert commentary: Multiple studies conducted since 2004 have consistently shown that, in older adults, IIV3-HD induces substantially greater antibody responses and better protection against influenza and influenza-associated hospitalization than IIV3-SD. Health economic analyses suggest that IIV3-HD can be a cost-effective alternative to standard-dose trivalent or quadrivalent inactivated influenza vaccines and can even be cost-saving compared to IIV3-SD in older adults. Further investigation of IIV3-HD vaccination as a way to improve immune responses and protection against influenza in immunocompromised individuals is warranted.

Fluzone® High-Dose Influenza Vaccine. · Expert Rev Vaccines 2016
Money for the studycompany or manufacturer · Sanofi Pasteur
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?YES
Type of studydiscussion of other studies

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

A review indicates that in people aged 65 and over, the high-dose vaccine was more effective and more immunogenic, with a safety profile similar to that of the standard dose.

Aim of the study: Adults aged 65 years or older suffer the most severe health effects of seasonal flu. Although the influenza vaccine is effective in preventing influenza virus infection and its complications, it is not as effective in the elderly due to age-associated immunosenescence phenomenon.

Results: Although the influenza vaccine is effective in preventing influenza virus infection and its complications, it is not as effective in the elderly due to age-associated immunosenescence phenomenon. Since 2009, a high-dose trivalent influenza vaccine has been approved in the United States for the immunization of people ≥ 65 years with an antigen concentration four times higher than the standard vaccine. Multiple clinical trials carried out over different seasons, and using different methodologies, have shown that the high-dose trivalent influenza vaccine is not only more effective, but it also has a similar safety profile and is more immunogenic than the standard dose vaccine in the prevention of flu and its complications in the elderly.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studycombined analysis of many studies (meta-analysis)

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

A review describes studies in which the high-dose vaccine was more effective than the standard-dose vaccine at preventing flu and its complications in seniors.

Aim of the study: Seasonal influenza is a major public health problem, particularly in older people. Influenza vaccine is the most effective way to prevent influenza virus infection and its complications, but due to immunosenescence, older people do not respond efficiently to immunization.

Results: Influenza vaccine is the most effective way to prevent influenza virus infection and its complications, but due to immunosenescence, older people do not respond efficiently to immunization. In 2009, a high-dose trivalent influenza vaccine (IIV3-HD), containing four times more antigen than the standard-dose vaccine, was approved in the United States for the immunization of people aged 65 years and over. Numerous clinical trials, carried out at different seasons and using different methodologies, have shown that the IIV3-HD vaccine is, as well as safe, more immunogenic and more effective than the standard-dose vaccine in preventing influenza virus infection and its complications in older people. This paper reviews the available evidence on the efficacy and effectiveness of the IIV3-HD influenza vaccine in the elderly, with information from randomized clinical trials, as well as observational studies of real-world clinical practice and in systematic reviews/meta-analyses.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studydiscussion of other studies

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

The article states that vaccinating seniors helps prevent flu-related deaths and complications.

Aim of the study: Although some controversy exists about the necessity of the annual influenza vaccine in the elderly population, it has been established that the benefits outweigh the risks. Vaccinating elderly patients helps prevent influenza-related mortality, avoids debilitating complications, and even averts exacerbation of certain comorbidities including chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, asthma, and metabolic disorders such as diabetes.

Results: Even with all of its established benefits, barriers to access can prevent elderly individuals from receiving the vaccine. These barriers include a lack of education regarding the vaccine and a lack of vaccination enforcement by health care providers. As health care providers, it is our responsibility not only to treat disease, but also to prevent disease from occurring. The influenza vaccine is an easy and cost-effective way to prevent infection from the virus and the serious complications that may accompany it which, in turn, helps improve patients' quality of life.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studyother

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

A meta-analysis of observational studies linked flu vaccination to a lower risk of dementia in adults.

Aim of the study: The aim of this systematic review is to evaluate whether common adult vaccinations are associated with a reduced risk of dementia.

Results: Twenty-one studies (n = 104 031 186 participants) were included. Vaccination against herpes zoster was associated with a reduced risk of any dementia (RR 0.76, 95% CI 0.69-0.83) and Alzheimer's disease (RR 0.53, 95% CI 0.44-0.64). Influenza vaccination was linked to a reduction in dementia risk (RR 0.87, 95% CI 0.77-0.99), as was pneumococcal vaccination (RR 0.64, 95% CI 0.47-0.87) for Alzheimer's disease. Tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis (Tdap) vaccination was also associated with a significant reduction for any dementia (RR 0.67, 95% CI 0.54-0.83). Adult vaccinations, particularly against herpes zoster, influenza, pneumococcus and Tdap, are associated with a lower risk of dementia. Vaccination strategies should be incorporated into public health initiatives for dementia prevention.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?no — the authors say so
Did a manufacturer help with the study?NO
Type of studycombined analysis of many studies (meta-analysis)

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

Among people aged 65 and over, vaccination was associated with a lower risk of death, ICU admission, and hospitalization due to flu.

Aim of the study: The 2024-2025 influenza season in Taiwan was notably more severe than the prior season, with severe cases increasing from 1433 to 2215 and deaths increasing from 297 to 545. Vaccination coverage among adults aged ≥65 years also declined from 53.6% to 48.1%. All government-funded vaccines in the 2024-2025 season were inactivated standard-dose trivalent influenza vaccines.

Results: Despite a decline in vaccination coverage, the vaccine demonstrated robust protection against severe outcomes. The adjusted VE was 71.9% (95% CI: [63.0-78.8]) against 30-day mortality and 70.0% (95% CI: [62.1-76.2]) against ICU admissions. Protection against influenza-associated hospitalizations was 58.2% (95% CI: [52.9-62.9]), while VE against outpatient visits was 44.8% (95% CI: [42.4-47.1]). Propensity score matching showed similar trend but generally lower VE estimates. Our findings confirm that the influenza vaccine remains highly effective in preventing severe outcomes, despite the reduced population uptake and increased disease burden. The methodology, consistent with our prior season's analysis, underscores the reliability of these results. We conclude that enhancing vaccination coverage among the elderly is critical to mitigating the impact of severe seasonal epidemics.

Money for the studynot stated
Do the authors have ties to companies?not stated
Did a manufacturer help with the study?unknown
Type of studyobservation of people

“Not stated” does not mean nobody paid — the database does not always record it.

Perspectives and opinion materials

The content below presents the authors’ opinions, interpretations and hypotheses. It is not treated as equal to scientific studies and systematic reviews.

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service Opinion material
„One review of ten RCTs found an efficacy of 59% for adults aged 18-65 years.[36] Another review stated "there is strikingly limited good-quality evidence (all GRADE B, C or not existing) of the effectiveness of influenza vaccination on complications such as pneumonia, hospitalization and influenza-specific and overall mortality."[37] However, a review in 2004 found that "vaccine efficacy were 22% (95% CI = 16-28) for preventing clinically diagnosed cases of influenza and 63% (95% CI = 53-71) for preventing laboratory confirmed cases of influenza."[38] One problem with report of influenza vaccine effectiveness is selection bias.[39] Who is going to fund and publish a study showing that influenza vaccination is not effective?”One review of ten RCTs found an efficacy of 59% for adults aged 18-65 years.[36] Another review stated "there is strikingly limited good-quality evidence (all GRADE B, C or not existing) of the effectiveness of influenza vaccination on complications such as pneumonia, hospitalization and influenza-specific and overall mortality."[37] However, a review in 2004 found that "vaccine efficacy were 22% (95% CI = 16-28) for preventing clinically diagnosed cases of influenza and 63% (95% CI = 53-71) for preventing laboratory confirmed cases of influenza.".[38] One problem with report of influenza vaccine effectiveness is selection bias.[39] Who is going to fund and publish a study showing that influenza vaccination is not effective?
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service Opinion material
„Vitamins and minerals have been shown to significantly reduce the incidence and duration of influenza. This was already known back when many of today's elderly were still middle-aged. 32 years ago, twice Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling reviewed the nutritional literature and concluded that high doses of vitamin C reduce the frequency and shorten the severity of influenza. (12) Orthomolecular (nutritional) physicians have repeatedly confirmed this. Robert F. Cathcart, MD, successfully treated thousands of patients with viral illnesses using massive doses of vitamin C.”Vitamins and minerals have been shown to significantly reduce incidence and duration of influenza. This was already known back when many of today's elderly were still middle-aged. 32 years ago, twice Nobel-Prize winner Linus Pauling reviewed the nutritional literature and determined that high doses of vitamin C reduce the frequency and shorten the severity of influenza. (12) Orthomolecular (nutritional) physicians have repeatedly confirmed this. Robert F. Cathcart, MD, successfully treated thousands of viral-illness patients with massive doses of vitamin C.
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service Opinion material
„The pooled effect in those healthy adults, aged 18 to 65, is reported as 57%, which means the vaccine roughly halves your chances of getting flu. What is well known about placebo effects can account for most of that 57% effect. If you know you've had a shot for the flu you think you're invincible. But since the chance of getting flu in that age group was less than 3% to begin with, that's really only about a 1½ percent reduction. Rounding the figures off, if you're a healthy adult, the flu vaccine will reduce your risk of actually getting the flu from 1 in 36 to 1 in 83. These are figures that are not offered in any of these studies.”The pooled effect in those healthy adults, aged 18 to 65, is reported as 57%, which means the vaccine roughly halves your chances of getting flu. What is well known about placebo effects can account for most of that 57% effect. If you know you've had a shot for the flu you think you're invincible. But since the chance of getting flu in that age group was less than 3% to begin with, that's really only about a 11/2 percent reduction. Rounding the figures off, if you're a healthy adult, the flu vaccine will reduce your risk of actually getting the flu from 1 in 36 to 1 in 83. These are figures that are not offered in any of these studies.

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